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- Satima Flavell
- Perth, Western Australia, Australia
- I am based in Perth, Western Australia. You might enjoy my books - The Dagger of Dresnia, the first book of the Talismans Trilogy, is available at all good online book shops as is Book two, The Cloak of Challiver. Book three, The Seer of Syland, is in preparation. I trained in piano and singing at the NSW Conservatorium of Music. I also trained in dance (Scully-Borovansky, WAAPA) and drama (NIDA). Since 1987 I have been writing reviews of performances in all genres for a variety of publications, including Music Maker, ArtsWest, Dance Australia, The Australian and others. Now semi-retired, I still write occasionally for the ArtsHub website.
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Monday, 3 October 2011
An editor's role
Monday, October 03, 2011 |
Posted by
Satima Flavell
Recently, a friend sent me a link to
an article in The Guardian by restaurant reviewer Giles Coren. My friend said that was exactly how he felt
about his writing.
As fiction writers, we do feel very
protective of our work. Our stories are like babies we have birthed and
parented. We like to think they are perfect, and that not one word should be changed.
A few weeks in a good critiquing group, however,
is usually enough to show writers that their work is not perfect and can be
improved, but even so, there is always that flash of resentment when someone
wants to alter one of their darlings. It can take a long time to wean that
baby, and the process is painful for the parent!
But we're talking here not about fiction but about writing for journals, and in that light I think Coren’s tirade is
sheer wankery. As an editor, I feel I should put the other side of the story
forward.
For a start, Coren is not writing the Great British Novel. He is writing ephemera. Writing that goes into a newspaper, journal or online zine is always edited without consultation – it's just the way it's done, because of tight deadlines. And for any writer to be so precious as to be highly offended at the removal of an indefinite article is just laughable.
Nobody
likes having their work altered, and I agree that sometimes sub-editing is done
less than skilfully, simply because there is a deadline to meet. The worst
instance of this in my experience happened when I faxed off a review to the
Australian and the next morning received the phone-message equivalent of a
poison-pen letter from the artist concerned, complaining bitterly about the
"mean-spirited review". I found out why when I opened the paper – my
review had been cut in half, and only the negative criticisms made it into
print. (I only got paid for the part that was published, too, but that’s the
way the system works.)
This
episode was largely my fault. The golden rule of criticism is "put the
good stuff first", and for some reason, on this occasion, I did not. All
the good stuff was at the bottom of the article – the part that got sliced “on
the stone” as they used to say in those pre-electronic days, probably to make
room for a last minute ad or "stop press" paragraph. Mea culpa, mea
culpa – but it taught me never to break that rule again.
As
I understand it, when a sub removes a small word, it's usually because leaving
it in would result in a "widow" on the next line. Apart from wasting
valuable space in a print journal, orphans and widows are anathema to layout
people. One sorry little word sitting on its own, looking lost, can spoil the
whole look of a page. Because, you see, a layout person is, in his or her own
way, also an artist, one with different sensibilities. The rhythm of reading the
work out loud means little to the layout person, I fear. And in any case, who
reads the bloody newspaper out loud, for heaven's sake?
(A “widow”
BTW, is a word or phrase that hangs out on its own at the top of a page or column,
while an “orphan” is a word or phrase – usually a heading of some kind – that is
left alone on the bottom of a page of column. It does depend, though on whose
definition you read!)
But
all that I've just said only applies to writing for ephemera. Fiction writing, of course, is a
different matter. There, ongoing consultation is the norm, to-ing and fro-ing
until the work is satisfactory to both writer and editor – within a given
deadline, of course. And in fiction, the writer has the last say – but the
editor has right of veto, if not on that work, then the next. A writer who
stets every tiny word and every comma will pretty soon find herself without
anyone to publish her work. Word of such things gets around.
One
only has to look at the morass of badly-written, unedited, self-published works
on the market to see that the editor, whether of journals or books, performs an
essential task in bringing the reader a product that delivers value for money.
And that, friends, is the bottom line in any industry, even an arts-based one.
Perhaps especially in an arts-based one, because all performers, all visual
artists, all writers, are competing for that same tiny slice of people's
purses, and if we produce a sub-standard product it will not sell. The fact
that we editors hurt people's feelings now and then must be balanced against
the fact that we help many, many others to create a better product. For, make
no mistake, a writer's work is a product. It may also be a work of art, but
only history can judge that.
An
editor is to a writer what a choreographer is to a dancer, or a conductor is to
an orchestra. If you're a fiction writer, try to be grateful to your editor for
helping you to produce something that really shines, something more people will
want to read!
And
if you're a reviewer or a feature writer, for God’s sake just smile and take
the money.
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9 comments:
agree about the spamming!
Just wanted to say I agree with the process of editing. I've always thought that the original draft is like a limp of rock you've pulled from the ground with the opal, diamond or gold visible. Further drafts reveal the treasure, editing is like cutting it and polishing it to reveal the stunning beauty.
Good post, Satima.
Keira
Good analogy, Keira - one I'll try to live up to!
And a very fine editor you are, too, Satima! :-)
I've always felt that the editor's job is to make my book look the best it can. I remember when my first book reached its final draft, and my very first editor, Beth Dolan, asked me, "How do you feel about it?" and I admitted that I felt rather proud of it - something I hadn't with earlier drafts. The editor, mind you, doesn't always get it right, but when I feel they're wrong, I explain why and if they still feel the way they did, I do my best to accommodate. Or I just do what I can anyway, but still explain my issue.
I haven't written for ephemera before, but I remember learning about the "Pyramid" thing when I was doing short course in freelance journalism.
Ah yes, the Pyramid! And there's a Football, too - did you learn that one? The pyramid is a news item: the football is a review or feature. It's an Aussie Rules footie, of course, with points at each end:-).
I think most fiction writers who've worked with a sympathetic editor soon realise the value of the process, but you do get the odd "precious" one!
Hey, I just noticed your first comment, Sue. Ta muchly:-).
Fantastic post Satima,
I'm new to the writing game so was very surprised when my editor told me what a pleasure it was to work with a writer who was actually open to constructive criticism. She was used to fighting with writers tooth and nail throughout the editing process. This baffles me – why fight someone who's only trying to make your work better?
I've only had a couple of "precious" writers, thank heaven! Most writers, even the more experienced ones, are always keen to improve. In fact, the best people to edit are the ones who've already been published by major houses. I've found them to be humble and always willing to listen to suggestions. That's probably why they are already published and the "precious" ones aren't!
Mind you, I had been used to working with one editor when I sold my first novel. Beth Dolan for the first, Sarah Brenan for the second, Penny Matthews, etc. And then I sold Wolfborn and there was a reader's report, which was fine, the reader was the editor (I never actually worked with her directly, I got en email from Leonie Tyle saying, "Here's what (the editor) says" and then comments from the editor - again, sent to me by Leonie. So when that was done, I thought that was that - but no. There was yet another editor. That was done and then - the proofreader had some things to say! As it happened, the publisher and other editor thought it was strange, but let me read the comments anyway, just in case it was of help to me.
One thing I have no problem being precious about is when someone re-writes my work rather than letting me do it. I'm not talking here about the word "a" but an entire new paragraph or several written by the proofreader - not the editor - and in a style so different from mine that anyone reading the story would notice immediately. I don't scream, but I offer to do my own re-write, if one is necessary.
In the Olden Days, I gather it was normal to have an editor, a copyeditor and a proofreader, but a second editor sounds a bit extravagant! Probably better than a no-editor-at-all policy, though! OTOH, too many cooks can certainly spoil the broth.
I don't think you're being precious if someone actually rewrites your work, Sue. That's certainly exceeding a proofreader's command! I - and, I think, most editors - will often suggest a rewording, but it's up to the author to treat that as raw clay to be modelled, as you did. A proofreader does have the task of noting incorrect words and other solecisms that the copy-editor might have missed, though.
And isn't it funny - even after four people have worked on a ms, the odd typo can remain. I reckon the computer sneaks them in, just to be mean:-).